Lunchtime Yet? PETA-Girl Sophie Barrett Wants You To Stop Eating Meat

Photo Credit: WENN

Wonder who had the pleasure of drawing all over Sophie’s body earlier today? Anyway, these were snapped in London as Sophie Barrett was the latest chick to pose naked in public behind a poster that reads, “All Animals Have The Same Parts: Abolish Meat.” Of course, this was all in an attempt to raise awareness for animal rights group PETA. Don’t know about you guys, but staying away from eating meat is pretty much the last thing that comes to mind when looking at these pics…

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McPerv
McPerv

No, I am not relying on anectdotal evidence. When I referred to Venus Williams, for instance, adopting a vegan diet to combat her autoimmune disorder, she is doing so because her medical doctor (i.e., someone who, unlike you, knows something about something) has recommended it, based upon peer-reviewed medical research. I used her as example because people may have read about it, and be familiar with it (the fact that her medical team has advised it).

Most athletes are not vegan, my point was that one can be an elite athlete and still be vegan, you are painting a picture of vegans being sickly which isn't factual or fair. You have decided upon a point of view and distort facts and arguments as you please to suit your own self-interested "argument."

One should not look at stories about dipshits who allegedly failed at vegan diets. Dipshits can fail at omni diets too (read recently about the dipshit who ate nothing but mcnuggets and collapsed? Gene Weingarten wrote about how he once ate such a poor omni diet that he got scurvy. These stories mean nothing, except don't be a dipshit.)

Non-partisan expert groups, like the American Dietetic Association, endorse vegetarian and vegan diets.

http://www.eatright.org/About/Content.aspx?id=8357&terms=vegan

Seriously, man, maybe this is fun for you, but it's maddening to try to argue within someone who just says shit and does not care if there is any factual basis. So please, just cut it out, you know what you are doing.

McPerv
McPerv

My god, your misinformation is astounding. You are so averse to facts you must be a Republican.

Do just a TINY bit of research. Most crops grown in the US are grown to feed to farm animals. It takes many pounds of vegetable protein to get one pound of animal protein. A vegan diet is recognized by everyone who knows anything as being more ecologically efficient.

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

there are also many moral and ethical argumenst against turning vegan. For example, if all the human beings in the world were to be fed with vegetables, this would imply tot ake away from the wild MORE land to use it for agricultural purposes, clearing such land from all endemic species. But what do I know...

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

Funny, cause it is you who is relying on anecdotal evidence and vegan-pro websites to support your affirmations ("I am a true vegan and have been for 20 years", "Venus Williams is vegan", "many MMA fighters are vegan"). Well, MOST athletes, MOST MMA fighters and MOST people in the world are NOT vegans and that does not mean shite one way or the other. I am not here to educate you, so please google "health threats of vegan diet" and take a look at the academic articles. ;-)

McPerv
McPerv

One supplement is needed -- B-12. It's produced by bacteria. One might get it from plant sources, but not in modern times where everything is washed. (Many people, inlcuding flesh-eaters, who get B-12 deficiency get it due to absorption problems). These days, a supplement may not be necessary, as certian vegan foods (like many brands of soymilk) are fortified with it.

Other supplements may be good but B-12 is the only must have. Keep in mind, it's recommended that most omnivores take certain supplements, too. For instance, meat-eaters can run short on folic acid, which for pregant women can cause really messed up babies (spina bifida). Look at any cereal box and you'll probably find folic acid, along with all kinds of other vitamins -- which aren't targeted at vegans, but meat eaters who tend to run short on certain vitamins.

Here is an excellent discussion.

http://www.theveganrd.com/2010/11/recommended-supplements-for-vegans.html

McPerv
McPerv

I think it's hard for most people to maintain just for health reasons, so I do not usually argue that except as a side benefit. But it is healthier. Whatever anecdotal observations you have are just that -- the rantings of some Bastardly user of unknown education who thinks he knows something because he thinks some vegans he knows are unhealthy. (And again, I admit that you CAN be vegan and eat unhealthy, just like anyone else. So let's assume the vegans you know are unhealthy. It proves nothing, except that those particular persons don't know how or care to eat healthy).

What's been proven true by scientific, peer-reviewed studies, is that a thoughtful vegan diet is the healthiest one you can have. It is the ONLY diet that can reverse heart disease (again, a special type of vegan diet, you will not necessarily reverse heart disease with just any vegan diet). It also helps with many autoimmune diseases (which is why Venus Williams is doing it to help with Sjogrens). There are antioxidants in certain fruits and veggies you won't find in flesh. And it's nearly impossible to be fat on a natural vegan diet (i.e., no processed foods).

It's also an ecological imperative that humans start getting toward a vegan diet. And it's kinder and more compassionate.

Any way, I'm done, I think anyone reading this other than Kobe knows you don't know shit about the topic, and debating you is pointless.

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

The moral of eating animals would be a better approach when you try to discuss this topic in the future. Don't bring up those lies about vegan diet being healthier.

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

If you die because of your stupid diet, the coroner will not say "he died for being a vegan". LOL

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

As you must have noticed by now, I had this same argument several times in the past. You can't win. A "healthy vegan" diet doesn't exist. If you are a "true vegan" as you affirmed before, you are taking supplements on a daily basis because your regular diet is insufficient. There are PLENTY of studies showing that. Health itself is not a good reason to shift to a vegan diet, because it is impossible ot achieve without supplements, and at the end it will actually be more expensive than a regular NORMAl diet. The most compelling arguments I've heard (and that is not saying much) appeal to sympathy for the animals. We just happen to eat animals; I see no problem with growing animals in farms to feed the people. I do see a problem when we kill endangered species, but cows? I look around me and, along with the fatsos, I see a lot of thin people. I am a 100% sure none of them is vegan.

azezeal
azezeal

No deal

I am a Carnivore

McPerv
McPerv

Yep the good ol' human species, homo rapiens.

The-Phantom-Writer
The-Phantom-Writer

What a way to burn money... Veggies I'm pretty sure wouldn't solve world hunger. It may provide a meal for everyone, but you sure as hell won't be satisfied.

KobeBryan
KobeBryan

Shit looks magically delicious.

KobeBryan
KobeBryan

In before 50 year old vegan mcperv preaches to walls.

O wait

McPerv
McPerv

You've seen what? You can eat potato chips and smoke cigarettes all day and be vegan. And you can eat nothing but McNuggets all day and be an omnivore. What I am comparing is an intelligent vegan diet versus and intelligent omnivorous diet. The vegan diet will win. There are no health sacrifices in being vegan, only health benefits. Read a little an educate yourself, there are scientific studies on this. All you have is some personal anecdotal evidence. Look around you. People are fat. Those fat people you see, it's unlikely they are vegan.

McPerv
McPerv

Oh geez, that one again. They didn't feed their baby. Read the article you posted a link to.

Mundo
Mundo

I'd like to bite her rump...

The Devil
The Devil

I'll give the bitch some meat and then she can make me a bacon sammich.

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

LOL, saying a vegan diet is better than an omnivore diet is stupid. Suggesting that it is better because that is what people with heart diseases eat is MORE stupid. I am not against veganism, I am against people saying veganism is better that the natural human diet. I am not trying to make you change your mind; you're a convinced vegan and I am fine with that. Most vegans I know do it for moral or ethical reasons, and are conscious and willing to go through the health sacrifice that IS implied in the process. I've seen it, I know what I am talking about.

Bowser
Bowser

Bacon strips and bacon strips...

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

Well, if you say that you would be stupid. On the other hand, I really don't care about your eating habits, I just don't see any arguments in favour of changing the normal, natural omnivore diet of the human species.

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

I will put it in simple words for your better understanding. Meat is part of a normal human being diet, it is stupid for PETA or anyone else to pretend to "abolish meat". It is as stupid to pretend that I stop eating meat as it would be to ask the same from a lion, even if the lion and I are not related at all. :-D

I Am Right
I Am Right

I will stop eating meat when she stops being ugly.

Bowser
Bowser

Nah i'm grilling fajitas this weekend fo' sho!

skilligan
skilligan

not that pretty but the body is great

McPerv
McPerv

I was talking, of course, about evolving ethically. You know, like how once many people thought it was OK to own humans slaves. Or commit genocide. They still think it's OK to farm and kill animals for food and rape the planet. Just trying to get people to evolve beyond that. I don't expect to win the argument, our species is too fundamentally flawed. You argue purely from a point of self-interest, as humans tend to do. But I try.

McPerv
McPerv

I read it, and it's a stupid, pointless comment. What if I said, when antelope start eating meat, I'll start eating meat? What kind of fucking moron would I have to be to write such a thing?

McPerv
McPerv

I've been a "true vegan" for 20 years. I'm well read and well practiced on the topic. There's only one diet that has been proven to reverse heart disease -- a particular version of a vegan diet. If you don't know who Dean Ornish MD is, then you are simply not well versed on issues of nutrition and the impact of diet on health.

I would not dispute that some vegans go about it poorly. But that's not an indictment on veganism. Plenty of meat-eaters choose poorly as well. But a thoughtful vegan diet will beat any other diet.

Here's just one recent article

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/01/the-evidence-for-a-vegan-diet/251498/

These days, claiming a vegan diet is deficient it just absurd. Many MMA fighters are vegan, as well as ultra-marathoners (google Scott Jurek). Your claims just make you look like an un-read fool who has no idea what he's talking about.

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

And where exactly did I implied I am like a lion? It just happens both humans and lions have meat as part of their natural diet, which is my only point. But your poor reading comprehension has already been discussed I guess.

witz
witz

abolish meat? no. stop eating it as the focus of every single meal? yes.

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

So you're an idiot or can't read properly. Human beings are omnivores TODAY. Evolution is not determined by our personal beliefs. LOL!

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

1) Your perception that vegan diet is "the healthiest" is not only false but stupid. There are PLENTY of scientific papers which show the contrary. A true vegan will tell you about how hard it is to follow a strict vegan diet beause of the defficiencies. 2) Humans eat meat like other species in the planet (including lions). When those species stop eating meat, I will stop eating meat. It is a perfectly valid argument, while I do not see yours. ;-)

Nookies
Nookies

I got a 4 inch American smoked sausage for her.

McPerv
McPerv

And when your leading argument is, "When lions stop eating meat, I will stop eating meat," you should not cast stones about intelligence.

McPerv
McPerv

And for the record, I think this tactic, like most PETA tactics, is stupid.

McPerv
McPerv

If you want to eat like your prehistoric ancestors go for it. Our ancestors did eat flesh, but were primarily gatherers with only occasional success at hunting. If you want to eat like them, make meat the side dish, not the main course.

But realize, it's a dumb argument. Our prehistoric (male) ancestors raped and killed, too. We should be trying to evolve, not devolve.

McPerv
McPerv

A vegan diet has been well established as the healthiest one around. It's true that it requires some supplementation. All diets do. That's why they put Vitamin D in your cow's milk and iodine in your salt. But for flesh eaters -- most of whom are obese and at risk for heart attack, cancer, and diabetes, among other things -- to ridicule the vegan diet is absurd.

So a vegan diet requires supplementation of vitamin B-12. A meat-based diet requires supplementation with heart bypass surgery.

Most vegans and vegetarians are dumb. but only because most humans are dumb. Vegans are, however, stronger willed, more compassionate, and less conformist. Most vegans are atheists, too, which by itself puts them a notch above your average meat-eater when it comes to intelligence.

McPerv
McPerv

Except you don't eat like a predator, you eat like a combination of an herbivore and a scavenger. Which makes you more of a raccoon than a lion. A raccoon who likes his flesh burnt, that is.

Go out there, kill an animal with your claws and teeth, and eat its flesh raw, then maybe you will make some sense.

Teq
Teq

I never said there was anything wrong with meat, you're under the mistaken impression that I'm a vegetarian...

My response was towards your flawed lion reference, but nice essay nonetheless I'm impressed ;)

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

Because of my job I had to deal for months with several vegan and vegetarian people, and I can tell you this 1) Vegans and vegetarians are not particularly intelligent and/or educated, and it seemed to me gullibility and prejudice is common among them (although I don't blame their diet for that). 2) The vegan diet in particular is so unhealthy all those poor people were ingesting dietary supplements as crazy to compensate for the nutrients they were not eating as part of their diet. Summarizing: I think veganism/vegetarianism is not only idiotic but dangerous. Our species is omnivorous and has been for thousands of years. We grow animals and eat them as part of our nature. There is nothing wrong with that.

JPRichardson
JPRichardson

Anatomist and primatologist Dr. John McArdle: “Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet.”

Several studies have also argued that it was our ancestors’ search for animal foods that triggered the expansion of our population across the world. Other research has shown that it's impossible for prehistoric humans to have been vegetarians, because the plant foods available at the time could not have provided them with enough calories and nutrients to survive. In which case, to some extent, we can thank our meat-eating ancestors for our existence today.

She looks yummy anyway, dietary supplements and all.

Teq
Teq

I'm sure it has, don't forget the rest of your food list, fried potaters, beans, and cornbread