What Really Happened To Natalee Holloway?

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http://www.moejackson.com/archives/2005/06/03/natalee-hollowayone-happy-island

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NATALEE FUCKED EVERY BOY AND MALE TEACHER IN HIGH SCHOOL. NATALEE WAS A SLUT. SHE WHORED AROUND IN SCHOOL AND ON THE TRIP. WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT DUMB HORNY BITCH. THE SLUT GOT WHAT DESERVED GANG RAPED&MURDERED.; NATALEE CUNT.

NATALEE GOT GANG RAPED FOR BEING A WHORE. SHE DESERVED TO GET RAPED.

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I was Natalee last night of celebration, she had fun by drinking like all people do, did some body shots, she is dizzy and decides to leave. But that is the end of the night and she had a CHOICE:

1) Go back with her FRIENDS sharing a taxi to the hotel and call it the night

2) Have a little bit more fun and enjoy company of some locals.

She CHOOSE #2. Why her friends were not protecting her. Why her best friend was not there to say " you are intoxicated lets go to the hotel"? Because Natalee did not want to go back she wanted to keep having fun. And you have to be dumb to be in a foreign country, in company of a local, when you are a hot drunk blond and stupid. So she goes with the guys. She probaly ask for sex. That is only align with her all night and her decision to go with strangers instead of classmates.

She pass out. Maybe alchool, drugs, a combination. Guy/s are satisfy of consensual sex.

She regains conciousness and realize what she has done. She feels guilty and she does not want to be with the guys anymore. She is left alone. She goes for a swim to "wash her sins, clear her mind, clean herself, wake up, etc you chose. She drowns.

A random combination of tides, current, wind wash her body deep in the ocean and vanishes.

Natalee ask for it the minute she decide to go with stranges in a foreign country.

People do stupit things especially after alchool. Bad decisions are made in 2 seconds.

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The Natalee Holloway Timeline Detailing persons, places, & Her Known Murder Suspects in Aruba....

http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

800 posts have been placed here about the Holloway murder. One of them is the real killer. The killer left clues not known to the public. Read the posts...

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Natalee Holloway had been at the casino, and had been drinking with the Joran Van der Sloot . The two brothers one called Satish and Deepak and Joran Van der sloot, and I thinks a fellow named Steve, whom had been arrested about this case in 2006, had a plan. They had done this type of thing to other girls in Aruba before. They were to give Natalee a last drink to go, and Joron was to put a drug in her drink, I think a 'Date Rape Drug". He did. Natalee was not really so drunk when she left with Joran Van der Sloot, she was drugged! by all means Joran had asked her to go with him to see the Light House. Natalee was not sure about going and had refused at first , but with the drink and the drug in it, she followed him to the awaiting car like a sheep waiting to be slaugthered. It was just her and Joran Van der sloot, not the rest of the guys i the car , as has been reported by other withnesses. Joran started to drive to the Light House but Natalee passed out cold almost as soon as she got in the car! Joran then turned around and drove to a beach close to her hotel! He parked and dragged her out of the car onto the beach where the other three guys came out of hiding. The two brothers and the Steve guy. They all took turns raping her and when the last brother was nearly finished, Natalee woke up but was very groggy, and the second brother finished, as she started to fight them off. They were very angry and surprised, as one of them who gave Joran the drug, was supposed to give enough to keep her out, nearly all night!They all held her down, as Joran put his hands over her nose and mouth until she died! Remember, Natalee was very drugged but still managed to fight them off, as best she could. She was a good girl but at the wrong place at the wrong time . She had been tricked and drugged. Other girls had been victims, as well waking up on beaches in the morning light, knowing something terrible had happened to them, but not actually remembering what it was.

The boys had not expected Natalee to wake up, so this was a surprise to them all! One of them quickly called someone the father of Joran van der Sloot and soon another car drove up to the parking spot on the beach. This person brought a black, zippered, coroner's, body bag. They then all helped put her inside. I couldn't see the face of the man who came with the bag, but thought it strange that someone could come up with a body bag so quickly! Next they put Natalee in the back seat of the car who's owner brought the body bag. Natalee was inside the bag and it was dark, so they thought no one would be able to see into the back seat, and I assumed that they did not have to drive far to hide the body.

But fortunate there were other withnessesas well . The first gardener that worked for the Van der Sloot family was said to have been deported he seen it aswell but was sent home to where he came from with some money to keep his mouth closed. He was forced and taken by a small plane, to an island not more than 5 or 10 minutes away, from Aruba, to a 'Compound" in the jungle. The 'People running drug things in Aruba, did not want him to talk since he saw something that night the fther of joran van der sloot carying something weird , as he had already spoke to someone, a reporter, I think, and they would have killed him, but it would have looked to suspicious, so they just said he was "deported". The first gardener was from a group of poor people , and came to Aruba to work for the Van der Sloots, in order to earn money for their poor family.So some main withnisses gone the drugbarons at the drug kartell, didn't make any attempt to find him, as they thought he would never tell and he couldn't be found anyway. If those same people thought he had talked about what he saw, they would not hesitate to kill the entire poor family, so that no one would be left to talk! It would be mass genocide! He, however, did talk what he really saw that night to some guards that night , and some other people know about what actually happened. I have to say that at least two of the young men that raped Natalee, and killed her, went straight home after the beach to set up alibi's.

The First Gardener got up around 4 AM to 4:30 AM, or when ever his usual morning work begins, and that is when he saw the guys with the body bag. He knew something was terribly wrong but he quickly turned around and went back to where he slept until no one else was around. When this gardener, told the wrong person that he saw the Van der Sloot boy at a certain time, I think his first statement was correct. This was his only mistake, and they had to get rid of him. They had no idea he saw them with the black body bag. I cannot tell you where she is buried, as if one of them finds out I have repeated this much, they will try and move it. I just know some very powerful people way up in the island gourvernement with some powerfull influence on that Island helped those guys hide the body and coverup all the tracks.

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The Dutch authorities sent those guys over to Aruba, as they had already been in trouble and they were an embarrassment to the Dutch Authorities. Joran Van der Sloot and the two brothers, would go to school and leave whenever they felt like it rich new kids and you know the rest aswell and the teachers were too afraid to call them on it!

Those three got away with first degree 'Murder' all the time. They finally got into such trouble that they had to be sent away. Joron is back in Aruba, at it again, along with his friends. but fled to Holland

You know that the Island survives on it's drug and tourist industry. Many drugs are sent from Aruba. This is why the authorities are so afraid of this story, as they all get kick-backs from the drug money, . I know there was a hig up coverup meeting there were also six people who had a meeting this year in an Aruba Courtroom.

One included the current Judge. They were talking about the case, and especially about Satish Deepak. They said he was a loose cannon and unstable, and were worried that he might talk! It seems everyone, all adult, in that courtroom, knew what happened to Natalee including the Senior Van der Sloot, who was there in the room with the Judge and four others. They were not in session, as the Judge had his robe open and was standing around with the rest of these people.

Poor Natalee Holloway case is a real problem for Aruba may God have her soul, as she is not the only one who has gone missing because of the same type of action, or drugs. So the Drug kartell warned to sent Joran van der Sloot to Holland They cannot kill the entire Van der Sloot Family and the others that have been arrested, which would probably solve Aruba's problem, as far as the drug business goes.

I have seen that Joran Van der Sloot boy was wearing a blue and white stripped shirt the night Natalee was murdered, and Satish wore a blue T-shirt.

I have to say the gardener said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the Van der Sloot property! But because if they catch wind me talking, the body will surely be moved! The first floor of the gardeners shed had some pallets for a floor, and under this floor is another false floor that has dirt over it, so it looks like the ground, but if you look closely, you will see two small handles near the edges of the floor that can be taken up. Even the present gardener doesn't know it's there. In this shed is a lawn mower, and a rake, a bucket and some garden tools. There is also a terrible odor that is partially from the fish cut up to fertilize the gardens. This is what throws them off the scent, so to speak. Natalee is not alone under there. There is another body in there with her,

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If Joran buried her body in the sand, then it should be preserved and become mummified shouldn't it? As long as where she is buried is hot and dry, then they'll find out exactly how she was killed. And if she was buried under sand then there is a very good chance of finding her body, eventually someone will find her body by accident or quite possibly her body will surface on it's own if she isn't buried very deep. I don't know how well they've searched that beach but they need to do it again. I am almost positive that is where he buried her, they tracked his cellphone around that area when he was talking to Deepak, out of breath by the way, heading back home without his shoes. I really doubt he went back and dug up her body to bury her somewhere else, he was a possible suspect the very next day and I'm sure he was being tracked or at least thought he was being tracked so it just doesn't make sense. Also, I'm wondering if anyone knows if the police confiscated Joran's clothing he wore the night of her disappearance, or if Natalee was wearing any jewelry.

I think it is much more simple than people make it out to be. If you can remember when you were young and got into trouble or your friends were in trouble, you lied for them, they lied for you, of course it wasn't about anything as serious as murder hopefully. I believe Satish and Deepak's second story. I think they initially lied to help their friend, Joran. I believe that they initially didn't think that he had anything to do with her being missing and thought they were just protecting their friend from becoming a suspect in her disappearance. When they realized the seriousness of what probably happened to her, and recalled the odd way that Joran acted afterwards, and that police were telling them that Joran was saying they were more involved than they actually were, that led to to reveal the details of the nights events. I believe they drove to the lighthouse with Natalie and Joran and her were kissing and whatever, I believe everything that Joran, Deepak, and Satish have said, that is, up to the point where they drop Joran and Natalie off at the beach. I think the reason Joran told them to pull over suddenly because he intended to have sex with her on the beach and since she was so drunk he probably thought it would be simple. I think they dropped him and Natalie off by the Marriott, and then Deepak and Satish drove home and didn't return. Joran and Natalee may have walked for a short while, although I don't believe they walked towards Fishermans Hut, I believed they walked towards Natalie's hotel on the beach. I think Joran he possibly tried to have sex with her, maybe in the water, maybe not. She refused and he got angry with her, so he probably knocked her unconscience(maybe with his shoe?) or/and possibly drowned her or strangled her. I doubt he had sex with her after he killed her, he may have freaked out and tried to bury her as deep as he could in a brush or tree covered area on the beach very near where he killed her. Maybe buried her under the sand on the beach as deep as possible (don't know if that would work) He probably buried his shoes with her or close by, he could have thrown them away since he believed they could be used as evidence. He definately didn't want to admitt that he was at the beach that night, but once Deepak and Satish said they dropped him off there, then he had to finally admitt he was there with Natalie, and I don't believe that he was at Fishermans Hut because I think he needed to place him and Natalie as far from the crime scene as possible, which actually wasn't very far at all, it was within a few blocks of Natalie's hotel, maybe even closer. You really get the feeling that he just hates to talk about him and Natalie being on the beach that night, he can't even use her name when he's talking about her.

The Natalee Holloway Timeline Detailing Persons, Known Crimes Suspects & Outright Lies

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Three possibilities about Shango:

1. It's a hoax.

2. Shango really knows something but was afraid to talk to real authorities.

3. Shango is the killer trying to throw you off or play with you.

One Final thing: Shango could also be spelled Xango. Here's something else:

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Shango

The god of thunder and the ancestor of the Yoruba people of Nigeria. He is the son of Yemaja the mother goddess and protector of birth. Shango (Xango) has three wives: Oya, who stole Shango's secrets of magic; Oschun, the river goddess who is Shango's favorite because of her culinary abilities; and Oba, who tried to win his love by offering her ear for him to eat. He sent her away in anger and she became the river Oba, which is very turbulent where it meets the river Oschun.

Shango is portrayed with a double axe on his head (the symbol of thunder), with six eyes and sometimes with three heads. His symbolic animal is the ram, and his favorite colors are red and white, which are regarded as being holy. In Brazil, Shango is worshipped as a thunder and weather god by the Umbandists. In Santeria, Shango (Chango) is the equivalent of the Catholic saint St. Barbara.

God Dammit are we still talking about this girl? let the woman die in peace for christ's sake, i know of countless women who have been raped and murdered and we don't treat them like patron saints, what's so god damn special about this bleach blonde hoe? K, she's dead, end of story, R.I.P. etc etc, move on PEOPLE.

Occum's razor applies to science and nature, but not the complexity that is human behavior. Check this out:

Shango’s Riddle

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Sandcastles on the beach they did not build

Go ask the dicemen for they know about the maze

Seven gates of inferno into which they gaze

Follow the music to the house of the Raves

It is built of gold bricks but the road is not paved

Secrets mysterious lie within

A magic word that spells out sin:

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The lions roared and the lamb did flee

The lamb is now a goat and yet the cowboys do not see

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Yet all will fall if anyone talks

The Arawak King has dirty hands and dirty feet

But the Arawak nation would suffer at his defeat

Invisible armor shields the lamb and the elder

But that which is dark is not hidden by shelter

The Arawaks know and out of fear look away

The Hague does not hunt or chase the lions that prey

The lamb bites his tongue but did not build a boat

The poison song of Dirty Hand does not escape his throat

The Arawak King is still not to blame

But the filth from the Hague causes secrets and shame

Threadsurfers must open new doors

To find the key to den where the lion still roars

Dirty Hand is the key

Bring him down blind and see

Tell the cowboys, light the fires

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Forget my earlier theories on NH. My only problem with Shango's riddle is the reference to Occam's Razor which suggests that "one should not increase beyond what is necessary the number of entities required to explain anything."

Shango's riddle makes this whole NH thing seem like a big conspiracy theory. If Occam's Razor holds, the simpliest explanation is that Joran and the Kalpoes are responsible for hiding NH and yet because the investigation was botched there was not enough evidence to hold them. It is also the simpliest explanation that people are intrigued by Shango's riddle, because they want to find they answer to solve the crime when it is still a mystery. People seek the answers to that which they can't understand - check out "coffee pot ghost" for more arcane BS.

What real proof does anyone have that Shango knows jack s*** about what really happened to NH anyway when no one else knows? It's all just rumors and speculation - casinos, Mafia, drug lords, white slavery, corrupt government officials, occult rituals? Now I am speaking with voice of reason here. What proof does anyone really have that's Shango's riddle is nothing more than a hoax that causes people to have fun starting rumors? What evidence shows that Shango is the inside man or woman? Can anyone shed any light on that?

Shango's riddle implies that Joran never took Natalie to the beach but instead to the "house of rave." Given that no evidence was found at that beach.... that fits.

At first the most logical explanation for the disappearance of Natalie Holloway seemed that she was intoxicated and might have died from an accident or drug overdose. Then the three boys (Joren and the Kalpoes) got scared and disposed of the body. Now I am not so sure. Here is why:

1. If Natalie was murdered or died of a drug overdose and they hid the body then why was there no evidence left behind on that small Island? And why did the three boys never crack after months of interrogation? Is Paulus VanderSloot really so powerful that he is able to get the Aruban authorities and government to engage in a conspiracy to destroy evidence and cover a crime to protect Joran? I think not.

2. Yet, the three boys were if they were innocent, why did they have to lie? They must know something. And if Joran left Natalie at the beach, they why was no trace of her ever found there and why no witnesses?

3. Natalie would not have had the means or motive to run away without a trace, so that's unlikely.

In conclusion, I think that someone else more powerful has to be involved. If you told me that Joran sold Natalie into white slavery to pay off a gambling debt and someone very powerful in the Mafia was involved - that is the only story that seems to fit in with the evidence. It explains both why Joran walked and no evidence of Natalie's disappearance was ever found. Shango's riddle is either a hoax or Shango really knows what could have happened, but my new theory fits with Shango's riddle.

I don't think this crime can be solved. Sadly, Aruba is trying to brush it under the rug, and many Americans no longer care. It is vetry sad that this girl's killer may get off scott-free.

aruba just released that the man found in the cave with his head bashed in;legs cut off and burned was not murdered but rather died of cocaine overdose.Unbeleivable!!!!! either this guys death is related to natalees case and they do not want to expose anything by investigating this death or the ale is severly retarded and nonfuctional( not as ale but non fuctional as a person (do all cops or detectives on aruba need institutionalized care?) unreal! this is crazy(bashed in head ;sawed off both legs;set on fire in a cave and ale states he just O.D ed. a five year old can tell a person can not do that themselves.Are these ale brain damaged??just bizare,unreal,uncool and totaly uncalled for.