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http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8986431?source=rss

According to this article, she overdosed. This article mentions this very web thread, so who knows if they know the truth.

lol… stoned again, that supposed to be directed to Dude.

I had lost this site for a couple of months and just recently was directed to the new link. Thank you, moderator, for giving me that info. A response to Dude quickly, if I may. To quote you, “…she didn’t seem to have much of a chance considering the few descriptions of her upbringing I have seen…” You don’t have many facts about her life and her parents and the family’s activities and lifestyle, so your suppositions are extremely prejudicial. Not that I blame you for raising the questions, because they are legitimate questions. Perhaps a book needs to be written about my daughter, which would include the journeys of her parents and their parents, to help satisfy the curiousity about her career (which covered only 2 or 3 years out of her life) and give some satisfaction about the sad fate of a woman with promise. I have answers for all of your questions, because I asked them of myself at the time they were relevant as well as later. Could any of those issues you brought up have impacted where she went in her adult life? Like most questions about history and lives in hindsight, they can be answered with a yes and a no at the same time. Some of your questions are silly, of course. For instance, no one wasted money on a Woody Guthrie concert-it was free. Plus, your ignorance of our lives (no fault of yours since the book hasn’t been written yet) invalidates the question of “if he was poor,” since I wasn’t poor at the time; that incident took place when she came to visit me in Oklahoma. Indeed, I had lots of contact with her after she was 18; she visited me, resided with me, or lived nearby on and off up to age about 21, then she embarked on her own life. In the next 3 years she managed to keep the biggest secret of her life from me, even during our visits and correspondence. There was no way I could have guessed the career she selected, and it did not follow logically from her upbringing, her education, nor the lifestyle that her parents had chosen prior, during, and after her life began. When Maryam became Haley Paige, that was a decision she made voluntarily. Would she have gotten into the industry if her parents had brought her up differently? When the book comes out, you’ll have a better chance to judge.

This forum is amazing, it has had quite an impact on a number of people, and I’m happy to continue my discussion here, even with the occasional insensitive post. This is what a memorial to a beloved friend and daughter should be. Thank you, Bastardly, for keeping it alive.

I’ve seen hotter bitches in a puppy mill.

Ken,

Thank you for opening up yourself and your life to all of us (even the rude and insensitive).

Ben

Kensabe,

given the circumstances I should say I am glad to see you back here. I warn you: english is not my first linguage (I am french) so my post will probably appear clumsy, awkward or even childish. I hope (if you read it) you will not find it insulting. I weigh up my words but to express in the best way my thoughts in english is beyond my capacities. That’s said…

From what you wrote in your last post (20th april 2008) I understand you’re working on the idea you mentioned earlier: writing a book about your daughter. I wish you good luck. Take your time and build this great tribute about Maryam. Be sure many people are waiting for your work, hoping the answer to many questions. I guess that for you the perspective is a little bit different. Could this book warm up your heart!

Of course you’ll probably discuss about the career of your daughter in the Industry. From your previous comments I am quite sure you will not be too harsh about her. As his father you’re surely disappointed about the way she took but don’t be ashamed. That was the decision of Maryam. About her , in my humble opinion, the only real shame is her death.

I didn’t know your daughter. I only knew by the net Haley Paige.But the news of her death simply devastated me. To say (in my mind) that she was a great performer doesn’t lessen the utmost respect I have for her. Yes it was only one face of an another person, Maryam Haley. I hope, Kensabe, that you’ll be able to bind these two faces together in the best manner for you. But you know, even in her movies Haley was able to create a very strong empathy for her. Her humanity (and fragility) went beyond the screen. I am happy to know that according you and another accounts she displayed these qualities in her real life.

Real life seemed the main target of Maryam. The Industry was only here for a time. And during her career Haley was very cautious. She keeped away from the nastiest things in this area. What she didn’t want to do, she didn’t do. Sadly it seems she encountered two things in the Industry: an easily access to drugs and bad persons (I think it’s not worth to mention names).

From my point of view,at the end, Maryam was victim of a combination of bad luck (the bad luck she had experienced in her relationship with men during her life) and the pressure of bad people (probably an understatement) around her. I know this is a very sensitive case for you, Kensabe and I don’t want to reopen wounds. But I found earlier that according certain people, it was a “logical” end. I just want to express my dissent and what I hope is right: Maryam/Haley had a great and wonderful appetite for life and she was a very resilient (and of course nice) person.

In the end Kensabe you could be proud of your daughter. She was a complex (and fascinating)person, and despite all the lame and bigoted comments a woman in her time. Enigmatic and nice person, little woman, great lady!

Ken,

Thank you for your depth and openness talking about this and sharing Maryam’s life with us. I am glad you didn’t let the crass comments discourage you from coming back to this forum.

ken where are the pic of her funeral locaed on here im trying to create a tribute page for her , she will be missed rip haley

Kensabe, I am sorry, I didn’t know by any means your daughter Maryam. I never met her nor was in communications with her. I “knew” a little Haley Paige. The reverse was not true. It was not at all my intention to fool you on this way. I regret I gave you this false impression. I gathered informations about Maryam from various sources on the net. It’s here under your own pen that I learned the most about her.
My thoughts about her, what I feel about her, yes these are the results of my personal reflexions about the events of Maryam’s life and her acts.

Nevertheless, Kensabe, if I can help you anyway, I would happy to do that. So just ask! On the same side I am of course willing to continue to talk with you about Maryam.

I want to greet you Kensabe about your courage. You’re sharing with you, perfect strangers to you, so intimate facts about your family! I perfectly understand how it is difficult for you and I guess with wich care you write your posts.
In your so moving post of 11th may 2008 I found a comforting fact: Maryam
told you about her drug addiction. She was frank enough to reveal to you one of her main issue in her life!
About the other great issue, the korean guy, your last comments about him were harsh. I find nothing to remove or to add. It looks like you wrote the final epitaph about him!

Concerning Haley Paige, Kensabe, don’t let you be tormented by the comments of “bien-pensant” persons, insensitive guys or simply madmen. It’s not worth to imagine terrible things about Haley Paige because these terrible things simply don’t exist.
I don’t write these words in a thougtless way and I hope you’ll get my point.

I don’t know where we are now except that this thread is very different from his dubious beginning. Patiently you’re planting the seeds of the tribute your beloved daughter deserves. What you said on your post on 14th may 2008 about how you feel Maryam’s remembrance is quite profound and fascinating. It went straight to my heart.
I wish I could help on this road in the way you want.

This is the shortened version of a earlier answer I wrote for you because it seems the site don’t register the lenghty posts anymore.

Oh my goodness! I know it was a long time ago but I’ve just found out about Haley Paige dying today. I am the person who commented directly after Haley’s very own comment above, saying how lovely I thought she was.

If had thought for even a second that extending my compliments any further could have saved her from this then I would have done anything I could. The world is truely a fucked up place.

God rest your soul, beautiful

Ken,

I was up until the wee hours last night reading this thread. Simply put I am blown away by your fortitude in the face of such tragedy. I don’t have much to add except to offer my condolences, and the following poem, written by Rimbaud, that somehow seems to speak to my feelings for what happened to Maryam. In case you don’t understand French, I’ve included my favorite translation below.

Best Regards, Al

L’éternité
Elle est retrouvée.
Quoi? - L’Eternité.
C’est la mer allée
Avec le soleil.

Ame sentinelle,
Murmurons l’aveu
De la nuit si nulle
Et du jour en feu.

Des humains suffrages,
Des communs élans
Là tu te dégages
Et voles selon.

Puisque de vous seules,
Braises de satin,
Le Devoir s’exhale
Sans qu’on dise : enfin.

Là pas d’espérance,
Nul orietur.
Science avec patience,
Le supplice est sûr.

Elle est retrouvée.
Quoi ? - L’Eternité.
C’est la mer allée
Avec le soleil.

Arthur Rimbaud, Mai 1872.

Eternity

It’s found you see.
What? – Eternity.
It’s the sun, free
To run with the sea.

Soul on watch
In whispers confess
To the empty night
To the day’s excess.

From the mortal weal
From the common urge
Here you diverge
To fly as you feel.

Since from you alone
Embers of satin
Duty breathes down
With no ‘at last’ spoken.

There’s nothing of hope,
No entreaty here.
Science and patience,
Torture is real.

It’s found you see.
What? – Eternity.
It’s the sun, free
To run with the sea.

Translation by A.S.Kline

Ken so sorry for your loss…I hope you and your family are coping ok.
She was a beautiful girl and I find I am so touched by the whole story.
I wont say I feel bad that that Korean schmuck is dead though. I hope he suffered is all I wish. May the gift of time heal your broken hearts.

I’m not sure why anyone would post a negative and/or demeaning comment toward the memory of a person who is not a criminal against humanity. That being said, hope her soul is at rest and her Family is at peace. Very sad.

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KENSABE - i am truly sorry for you and your family’s loss… I watched an interview once with Maryam and she seemed to be a very together young lady. I felt bad for her that she had to, or at least thought she had to subject herself to so many asshole men to survive in this world. RIP forever… you had a beautiful daughter. You’ll see her again someday I just know it. Hang tight.

Fuck you Ken Haley

sorry for your loss Ken, you had a beautiful daughter and really wish she wouldn’t have gotten involved with her late husband, it’s not your fault, She’s in a better place now, Maryam was beautiful and yes she was different than all the plastic girls in that industry, she did actually seem like a girl I could have fell in love with or maybe even dated, in short she was real and seemed real, I hope your doing ok I’m sure by now it’s gotten easier, yes I’m just now finding out. I wasn’t her biggest fan by far but I was definitely a fan and I do feel a loss as I’m sure we all do. thanks for reading. idk if you will see this or not